They Went Out From Among Us

There is an Us and there is a Them
Certain Men
If Any Man Draw Back
Touching The Anointed
Even As He Walked
Bro Stairs’ old message on sin
What Would Jesus Do

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1John 2:19-20
That Brother Stair would even dare accuse the brethren [Zec 3:1;  Rev 12:10;  1Jn 2:9] who left him saying that they were not of Christ because they left, after he says that only those God tells me are Gods people are the ones that come and live with me, is so hypocritical [Pr 4:19], it’s outright wickedness.  Brother Stair condemns himself alone in his statement that they were never of God or that they turned from God. Further, how is it the Prophet (that nothing gets past) didn’t know they would?  He is, therefore, saying that either he doesn’t hear from God (and takes in anyone he fancies) or that he ignores and disobeys God (Who tells him they shouldn’t move there but Stair wants them there anyway).  Neither of which is an acceptable conclusion to Stair but all of this is on Brother Stair – not his congregation or those that left him.  This is also coming from a man that has lost 99% of his followers throughout his ministry years.  Somethings wrong there, as there’s only one common denominator in that math – Brother R.G. Stair [Mt 7:16-20].

Unless Bro Stair means that they were never of us (him, his ministry), as they did not belong to and believe in the same god that Bro Stair does (namely himself).  Then we could agree with that.  But don’t put them against God’s Kingdom because your kingdom is fallen.  For they were the ones who came out from the wickedness that they found themselves in – both in the world and in the Farm – Brother Stair hasn’t [1Cor 6:18;  2Tim 2:22;  2Cor 6:17;  Num 16:21;  Pr 4:14;  Num 16:26;  Isa 52:11]. So they have two witnesses to Bro Stairs’ none.

Certain Men

Some of us here remember when the verse 1John 2:19 first became real to us in an application.  With the Jonestown Massacre or years after when it came up in the news or the other cult leaders who seemed to be men of God, and the question arises, what changed Jones?  Was Jim Jones ever a man of God and if so what changed him into the mass murdering madman that he ended up as?  1Jn 2:19 tells us that Jones was never of God because the word of God tells us in 1Jn 2:19 that these men that go out from God and no longer hold to the doctrine of Christ [1Jn 1:9-11;  1Tim 6:3-5;  2Pt 2:21] and walk in their sin were never of God.  Their fruit finally shows out to reveal who they are at the root [Mt 7:16-18].  Though they may use His name and carry a religious pretense and adorn themselves with many illustrious titles to fool their followers [2Cor 11:14-15], and even be able to turn a whole city [Acts 8:9-11]. Their stories of past glories do not line up with the fruit men pick from them today [Mt 7:16-18].

If Any Prophet Draw Back

These certain men have drawn back from Gods purpose, Gods will, and Gods people [Heb 10:38].

These men are touching Gods anointed people and like the many Jim Jones’ before them, they steal away the people of God (taking them off to their own special community lair). They destroy their true faith and their families, and they kill them – sometimes physically but always spiritually and mentally [Jn 10:10].

Some of them, even a prophet of their own [Titus 1:12], touches Gods sisters with public groping (sensual hugging, butt and breast grabbing) and private sexual ‘healings’ [1Cor 7:1;  Rev 2:20].

Touching The Anointed

God did not say, as some men are saying, touch not mine anointing man of God. [Ps 105:15]  God is saying for today that His little flock are anointed with His spirit in them, they are not to be touched.  Net even by so-called prophets.  Unto His prophets, he only says to do no harm to them.  And God didn’t mean for the prophets to whine about anything they dislike that hurts their feelings, that’s not what He was talking about. Get over it and stop touching Gods anointed with your hands and your tongue.

God makes it clear here in separating His anointed from His prophets.  Brother Stair wants to be both, as such he offends in both matters – he steals away Gods anointing (by denying they are Gods anointed) from those he touches and does them harm [1Chronicles 16:19-22;  Ps 105:12-15].

Even As He Walked

1John 2:6  says, He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked1John 2:29  If ye know that He is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of Him.  1Peter 2:21  For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow His steps1John 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.  For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil2Peter 2:9  The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations. How is it the Prophet that says he knoweth this Lord does not know how this Lord delivers OUT OF temptations?

This was the message of the Overcomer Ministry until 2002 when Brother Stair was found in gross sexual sin which exposed him to the whole world and he was arrested on multiple rape charges.  Then there were the transition years where a repentance was preached (in the terms of ‘confession’) and a turning back to the ways of holiness. This message was believed by the 50% who stayed and waited for its return and its fruit… and waited… and waited… [1Jn 2:4] but it not only never came… the fruit only rotted more.

Listen to what Brother Stair use to preach about continuing in sin from 1John while he was hiding his continual sex sins behind the cloke of his own sinlessness as he preached against sins he walked in. [1Jn 3:6;  1Jn 3:7-8;  1Jn 3:9;  1Jn 5:18]



The Prophet Walks On

Alas, there was no repentance, for the wickedness only grew worse and worse [2Tim 3:13] as Brother Stair was found time after time in sexual sins, and was confronted by many brothers which were then cast off the land or fled, which his radio audience (think financial supporters) knew nothing about or were told how they lost the witness and turned away and are now damned. So that they won’t contact them to find out what really happened.  The whole reason why the River Community departed was that they didn’t want him groping the sisters with his hugs [1Cor 6:18;  2Pt 2:7-8].  To which Bro Stair still awaits their repentance so that he can restore them – and thus get back to groping them, or worse [Pr 4:16-17;  Jn 3:19].

How is it the River needs to repent when Brother Stair said he knew what was right to do (leave the sisters alone), yet Stair responded, “I’m not going to do that”. In utter rebellion to God.

So who is it that drew back unto perdition from Gods way of holiness?  [Isaiah 35:8;  Heb 10:39]  Bro Stair no longer even uses the word sanctification, which he once preached and said he believed that we could walk holy in this present world [Titus 2:12;  Eph 2:10].  Which should make one ask, what work of preparing Gods people could be done by a ministry without sanctification unto holiness?  How is it preparing a people unto good works? [Eph 4:12]  How can it? How are you then making a people ready to meet the Lord? [Jude 24]  By tearing them down in their most miserable iniquity? [Jude 20; 2Tim 3:6]  It seems that the only ones that go on in Christ [Heb 6:1] in this case are those that flee from the wickedness or the ‘ministry’ – which granted, has been 99%, so that’s something.  So, a ministry with the only good fruit coming out of it, is that people are coming out of it…  Hmm 🤔

Enter The Creeps

Jude 4 warns us that Certain Men have crept in, unaware to us that they are creeps, they have crept in another way than the Door of Christ which is holiness unto the Lord [Isaiah 35:8;  Pr 4:18].  We are unaware of where they come from.  They tell us stories of where they supposedly came from but they are their only witness.  They didn’t come right.  Right is Christ.  Christ is the Door [Jn 10:9] not grace, and Christ is not closing His door – He’s coming back.  The Door (Christ) leads to grace, the door is not grace as some creeps teach [1Tim 1:6-7].

These creeps have no conviction of their sins because they have no Holy Ghost or they have grieved Him so much that He no longer deals with them [Eph 4:30;  1Jn 2:4;  2Pt 2:21].  Either way, from such men, turn away [2Tim 3:5].  Paul tells us the fruits of those who greave the Holy Spirit. Their communication is corrupt [Eph 4:29].  They are filled with bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, evil speaking, and malice [Eph 4:31].  They are not kind, or tenderhearted, or forgiving [Eph 4:32], they just demand that you forgive them under the guise that grace covers their lustful sins [Jude 4].  Wrapping that license in, God had me do it to show you how wicked you are.  They are not on the Highway of Holiness, they are on the Highway to Hell [Jude 4].

Consider Their End

[Deuteronomy 32:29;  Psalm 73:17-19]

What we now see is a man who would not receive the gentle admonition of men, neither of many men [Mt 18:16], then when it has been exposed to the whole church several times [Mt 18:17;  1Jn 5:16] and still became more headstrong in his rebellion to continue in his sins [Rev 9:21].  What we’re now seeing is that since even the Church was unable to control this man that now God is taking charge and turning him over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh and mind [1Cor 5:5;  1Tim 1:20;  Titus 1:15].   So having been turned over to the heathen [Mt 18:17] (law of the land, the authorities, Gods sword of vengeance [Rom 13:4]) God will exact His vengeance for the crimes committed against His body [Rom 12:19;  Deut 32:35].  At this point, we still see no repentance in the man, only a justification that he’s being persecuted for his preaching the gospel and is not guilty of these things but only that he went on YouTube and shouldn’t have said some things he did [1Jn 1:8;  1Jn 1:10].  He is unrepentant that any of his actions have been wrong in even touching the sisters [1Cor 7:1], and continues to this day in doing so [Rom 1:28;  Titus 1:15].  More and more, each and every day, as he sees the Day appearing [Heb 10:25].

What Would Jesus Do

Flee fornication.
~1Corinthians 6:18

Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness,
faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord
out of a pure heart.
~2Timothy 2:22

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord,
and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
~2 Corinthians 6:17

Separate yourselves from among this congregation,
that I may consume them in a moment.
~Numbers 16:21

And he spake unto the congregation, saying,
Depart, I pray you, from the tents of these wicked men,
and touch nothing of theirs, lest ye be consumed in all their sins.
~Numbers 16:26

Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean thing;
Go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the Lord.
~Isaiah 52:11

Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling,
and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy
~Jude 1:24


See also the article Many Went Back
See also Edward O. Bragwell’s article in Truth Magazine, “Flee These Things”

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