Seven Thunders

Last Updated on June 4, 2022

The major hallmarks of Brother Stair’s ministry that put him on the map are his 1987 The Prophecy’ and his sole exposition of the Revelation of the Seven Thunders of Revelation 10:3-4.  You know, the ones that the Voice from Heaven said: Were not to be revealed“Don’t do it!” (Rev 10: 4  TLB).

Why then would someone come along and try to reveal them?  Because they want to be noticed and have something that only they have – some secrets of God [so-called (Rev 2:24)] that only they can reveal to you (Acts 8:9).  This is the pattern of the Revival Era preachers shysters that Brother Stair was schooled under.  They taught him that you need something to set you apart from the others.  Something special so that you can get the crowds coming out to see you and not the others.  So that you can then fleece them.

A special name, a special title, a special catchphrase like “God’s man of faith and power”, or something like “Jesus is coming in THIS generation”.  Making yourself out to be some great one is the icing on that cake.  Something like the Last Day prophet, the Voice of God, or the Sign of His coming.  Or even better yet, the Seventh Angel Messanger and the Revelation 10:7 Angel – that ought to do it.  Right?

Perhaps not. perhaps you need something louder, something thunderous.  What you need is something to be the basis for your whole existence on the religious scene.  Something that only you can do, that God left for you alone to do.  As Brother Stair mimicked William Branham in many ways and doctrines, he also mimicked him in his exposition of the Seven Seals.  So Brother Stair took to declaring himself the revealer of the Seven Thunders.

The Four Headless Horsemen

Brother Stair only revealed the first four Thunders before his death.  He claimed that he was the one, the only one, that would, and could, give us these Seven Thunders (see 2 Corinthians 13:1).  This lack of finishing them shows us that he was either lying or making these up.  Here they are:

  • Thunder #1 Dec 1989 – when George Bush Sr. & Mikhail Gorbachev met on the High seas off the coast of Malta.
  • Thunder #2Aug 9th, 1993 – Denver was the focus of the world’s attention when the Pope came to Denver Colorado.  Brother Stair said Denver was the highest city and the highest capital in the USA – it is neither.
  • Thunder #3Sept 1993 – The World Parliament of Religions meets in Chicago.  It was the 100th anniversary of this Organization.

In Sept 2008 at the Akron Ohio meeting, Brother Stair said The 4th Thunder’s going to reveal the man of sin,… it will reveal the Two Witnesses,… it will reveal that we are in the last 1290 days.

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  • Thunder #4Sept 24, 2015 – The Pope came to Congress.
    • The 4th Thunder was proclaimed in 2015, then he stopped mentioning it for six years  Perhaps realizing that it would mean that the man of sin, the 2 Witnesses, and the Tribulation would have been (or have to be) disclosed.
    • Thus he forgot that he had proclaimed the Fourth Thunder until a caller mentioned it on March 6th, 2021, at which point he acknowledged it and made the statement listed as Thunder #5.

In Oct 2018 Brother Stair said the next Thunder (he was meaning #4 since he was in denial about his revelation of #4 in 2015) will involve the Pope and Jerusalem.  This pre-revelation revelation is interesting – does he know what it is or is he working on some ideas?  Then in a Service in 2021, a month before his death, he finally acknowledged the Fourth Thunder was in 2015 and that he was wondering if the Fifth Thunder had already blown (confusing it with a trumpet).

This would mean that we have already been six years into the last 3-1/2 years.  This also means that his prophetic statement in Oct 2018 was false because the 4th Thunder involved the Pope and America – not Jerusalem as the prophet said.

  • [null] Thunder #5? – In March 2021 Brother Stair was waiting for the 5th Thunder and questioned if it had already blown. [Was there something involving the Pope and Jerusalem that he missed?]  Brother Stair died less than a month later.  Perhaps that was his 5th Thunder?
  • [and] Thunder #6 – With the death of Brother Stair in 2021 the world will never know what the last two Thunders are/were.
  • [void] Thunder #7 – With the death of Brother Stair in 2021 the world will never know what the last two Thunders are/were.

What we have here is an invalidated revelation.  This cannot be of God.  God finishes what He starts.  One thing we’ve witnessed in Brother Stair is that he never finished anything.  He would accuse others (like Brother Kirk) of this while Brother Stair’s ‘finishing’ was simply quitting on things and discarding them.  Like he did with his people.  Like he’s done with these Thunders of Revelation.

Signification

Furthermore, what do they signify?  They are some smattered events from history that were ‘sounded’ after they happened.  Too bad we didn’t have a real prophet that could tell us beforehand so that we’d know they were a prophet.  But again, neither was there any explanation given to us as to their possible meaning and how they fit into the end times.  Or how they made anything clear in any regard.  This appears to be just a manifestation of a shyster toying with us (Matt 7:20).  Think not?

Then how does the Pope coming to congress in 2015 [Thunder #4] reveal the man of sin, the two witnesses, and where we are at in the last 1290 days?  Perhaps you forgot because the revealer prophet also forgot to tell us.  For over five years after Brother Stair revealed the 4th Thunder he failed to tell us who the man of sin was, who the Two Witnesses are, or where we are at in the last 1290 days.  That’s some big fails there.  Especially when you realize that these were THE THINGS that we were all listening to him for.

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Failed Purpose

The very reason for his ministry, the reason that anyone should be listening to him, ended up being a dud over five years before his death.  It’s no wonder that he ignored his own declaration of the 4th Thunder after 2015.  He must have realized that holding to it meant that he had to reveal the man of sin, the Two Witnesses, and where we are in the last 3-1/2 years.  This would be a problem, since in March 2019 it would have been all over if he would have declare to us in 2015 that were at the beginning of the 1290 days – as he declared the 4th Thunder would indicate.  He has also said that we would already be in, and perhaps at the end, of the 3.5 years when it’s revealed where we are at in them.  Perhaps making the end long before 2019.  Another epic fail there.

Remember that in Sept 2008 from the Akron Ohio meeting Brother Stair said The 4th Thunder will be the revelation of the man of sin, who the Two Witnesses are, and where we are at in the last 1290 days.  Then in Oct 2018 Brother Stair said the next Thunder will involve the Pope and Jerusalem.  Of which he meant the 4th Thunder.  Seems the Prophet forgot that he had proclaimed the Fourth Thunder in 2015 or he didn’t want to be held to something that he wasn’t sure was spectacular enough to be dubbed a Thunder.  Here we thought he was getting these revelations from the Throne of God.  Why the shyness and trepidation to declare them then?  Why then the hesitation, nay, the pulling-back from proclaiming them?  Were they just a figment of his imagination? (2Peter 2:18)

A Brilliant Flash of Insight

The Seven Thunders are certainly a brilliant play, because who can say that your revelation is wrong?  Because no one knows what they said.  And for good reason – because God didn’t want it known – not then and not at any time.  God said ‘Shut them up’ He didn’t say ‘Hold them until the end’.  What they said has no bearing on what we need to know about the End Times (as Brother Stair claims these revelations show us).

Time Revelation

But let’s not overlook the obvious, as the Overcomer Ministry is now doing, that Brother Stair declared in 2008 that the fourth Thunder had everything to do with time and where we were supposed to be in timeThe revelation of the Man of Sin, the Two Witnesses (Elijah and Moses), and where we are in the last 3 1/2 years.  Even then he was ambiguous as to what all or a selection thereof would be revealed.

Ambiguous Revelation

Nothing makes this point of this having no bearing clearer than Brother Stair’s own revelation of what the 7 Thunders are.  They are things so ambiguous, without any connection to a biblical meaning or the times.  They were just pulled off the headlines and run up the flagpole.  They don’t even include world-shaking events like the fall of the Berlin Wall, 9/11, or the Coronavirus Pandemic.  They are about political men or Popes that are never related to how it affects biblical timing – or us.

Hindsight Revelation

So their bearing on being a revelation for our time that we need is completely bogus.  Especially since they were all heard after the fact.  How is that going to help us?  This is where another perverted scripture will come in handy – God reveals the beginning in the end.  At the end of the matter is when we will know when it began.  This was how Brother Stair use to sell us on being in the Tribulation period but not knowing it.  The actual scripture says just the opposite (Isa 46:10) and Bro Stair ceased saying it like that but would still propagate that as the way we were to interpret it.

Prophet Revelation

What’s more, we are just supposed to believe them to be the Thunders because Brother Stair says so.  This benefits only him.  They have no bearing on the Church or revealing to us where we are in the End Times.  Their sole purpose is to exalt Brother Stair as the great one who alone gets these secrets from God (Acts 8:9;  Rev 2:24).  Therefore we must listen and heed the Prophet’s voice or we will miss God’s revelations.  Not that these revelations are doing us any good – that’s not to be considered.

We can add to this the pitch that has been sold by other false prophets and that is that you have to receive the prophet to receive the prophet’s reward (Mt 10:41).  This prophet’s reward is then sold to be revelation knowledge.  While this should be an obvious perversion of God’s word, many believe this lie because they are already under the prophet’s strong delusion (2Thes 2:11).

Well, if this revelation truth were so then what need have you of said prophet telling you what the Thunders said?  Or for any revelation from their mouth?  It’s because they sell it to you that you only receive this revelation knowledge if you’re receiving said prophet.  You see, you’re trapped again in a circular (un)logic.  Get this.  You’ve got to receive the prophet to get revelation knowledge but with revelation knowledge, you don’t need the prophet to reveal anything to you.  Do you?

What Is and What Will Not Be

What is said and what is not said are important here.  Because Brother Stair puts words into the book of Revelation that it doesn’t have, infer, or intend – as he does with all scriptures.  This is bad particularly because Revelation (at least) contains a curse upon those that add to it – you know, something like revealing the words of the Seven Thunders (Rev 10:4).  That kind of adding to it.

This is the main thing that makes these Thunders deadly.  They are not only perversions of scripture they are outside of scripture, and further, they are also of private interpretation (2Pt 1:20).  This private interpretation is what makes them wrong and puts them outside of scriptureNo scripture is of or from a private interpretation (2Pt 1:10).  So what we have here is either a fantom of Brother Stair’s own imagination or most likely a doctrine of demons from the ‘god’ that he has long heard from which never speaks to him about his gross sins but accuses the brethren at almost every breath (1Tim 4:1;  Zec 3:1).

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Enter Branham

Brother Stair first got the concept of revealing the Seven Thunders from William Branham who spoke of them and taught that he revealed them.  He realized that he could make up anything and no one could prove him wrong because the Bible doesn’t say what they are.  Which is the whole point here.  The Bible not only doesn’t say what they are but the Bible does say that they are not to be revealed.

Joseph Coleman, a former Brenhamite, also taught that he revealed the Seven ThundersHe taught that the seven thunders were the virtues of 2 Peter 1:5-7 – which would be far more in line with scriptures than anything Brother Stair concocted.  Though you should realize that the Thunders didn’t say that either because that is something that could have been written down – and was written down.

Coleman claimed to have received the revelation of the Seven Thunders from an angel.  Like Brother Stair, Coleman told his followers that they were special, the cream of the crop.  Even more like Brother Stair, Coleman controlled his followers with fear.  He was known to humiliate his followers by telling of their sins from the pulpit.  Those who questioned him were forced to publicly apologizeDefectors were banned – even family members were not allowed to associate with them. (Joseph Coleman and the Seven Thunders)

None of these prophets have the necessary witness that is required by God to establish the matter of the Seven Thunders (2Cor 13:1).  But the whole reason they are doing it is they want to be exalted as the only one who reveals it.  The very matter of 2Cor 13:1 should be enough for us to have ended this before it was started.  In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.  Sadly, scripture is not enough for followers of delusions.

So for their sake, we continue.

77 Jump Street

Another trick that Brother Stair engages in here is one of his common plays.  That of jumping scriptures.  This is an old Jehovah’s Witness trick termed by Walter Martin as the knight-jump move.  Brother Stair does this with his teaching of The Jonah Sign where he jumps from Matthew 24 to Matthew 12 – without telling you – and answers the latter question of the disciples with a former answer to the Pharisees.  This is how he makes scripture out of context, so that he can then rewrite the context that he wants into it.

Well, Brother Stair did the same thing with the Seven Thunders.  As we previously stated, the Voice from Heaven said of revealing the Seven Thunders: “Don’t do it!” that they Were not to be revealed”  (Rev 10: 4  TLB).  So what did Brother Stair do about that?  He jumped back to Daniel to justify it.

Go Back Daniel

In Daniel 12:9 he found, And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.  So he would add this to his revelation of the Thunder revelation.  This was then the reasoning for his having the revelation of the Seven Thunders – it was now time for them to be revealed.  Unfortunately now we not only have four worthless revelations, but we are also missing the last and most important three.

If he would have kept reading to the next verse he would have found the revelation of his last days.  Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand (Dan 12:10).  He was found waxing worse and worse, doing wickedly, and not understanding it.  Nor did he understand that it says many shall be purified.  That certainly doesn’t fly well with his doctrine of the few.

Wicked Understanding

Instead of understanding, he took verse 10 applied it to everyone else, and rode it like a hobby horse to accuse people of being wicked in that they didn’t understand him.  Brother Stair loved to say that if you don’t understand – then you’re wicked.  He was always referring to understanding him and the perverted interpretations he would put on things.  Thus to have a pure heart that did not understand his wickedness meant that you were wicked, in Brother Stair speak.

It’s amazing how well this doublespeak works to distract from the truth.  Many deceivers do this.  Instead of using scripture to understand and define an action, they will make up a connection and often pervert a scripture, like in the examples above.  Read through Proverbs and place Brother Stair’s life into it and see what you come up with.  It’s not a pretty picture.

James Five?

Let’s take a look at why we have Pastor James Rice now declaring that he is waiting on the Revelation of the Man of Sin when Brother Stair, Prophet Stair, is the man who is to do said revelating.  What about the last four Thunders of the departed prophet?  Wasn’t #4 in 2015 to be the revelation of the man of sin?  Didn’t Brother Stair say that already took place in 2001?  Pastor Rice, how are we now looking for the revelation of the man of sin?

How did we not get the revelation of the Man of Sin, the identity of the Two Witnesses, and where we were in the last 1290 days in 2015?  The prophet said this would happen at the 4th Thunder, which was in September 2015.  How long was it going to take for that to be revealed to us?  As stated earlier, it would have been all over by March 2019 if his revelation to us from the 2015 4th Thunder was that we were at the beginning of the 1290 days.  We are far out of reach of hitting these targets now.

How was Brother Stair waiting for the 5th Thunder on March 2021 and questioned if it had already blown?  Didn’t he realize that the 4th Thunder sounded on Sept 24, 2015, over five years earlier?  This also begs the question, why he said blown when thunders sound?  Was the prophet in confusion about trumpets?  Was he also in confusion about the Thunders?  In case you’ve forgotten all the others things in the timeline of future events that Brother Stair has declared that must take place, also check out the Future Timeline.

How can anyone today continue thinking that any of this has any weight?  How can anyone not see this house of cards for what it is?  James Rice, you’re waiting for the Revelation of the Man of Sin to be revealed by Brother Stair is going to have to… wait.  You’d better decide that it’s already happened in 2001 or that the prophet lied to you and it’s never gonna come from his mouth.

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Unfortunately, it has to be said again because people are not computing this.  On April 3rd, 2021 the prophet Brother Stair passed away.  Making October 3rd, 2021 the last date that Jesus must return by.  That time has passed.  Prophecy and prophet have failed!  Brother Stair taught that the last Four Thunders will mark the end of this world and that God will reveal what they are only to him (Brother Stair), just as God did the first three[/four].

God Will Do Nothing?

One of Brother Stair’s great justifications of himself that he would also base these Thunderous revelations on was that The Lord God will do nothing, but He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets (Amos 3:7).  Thus the Seven Thunders must be revealed by a prophet or the events of the book of Revelation cannot take place.

While that sounds like a great selling point.  Does it have any validity here?  Let’s apply that reasoning to the first four Thunders.  All of these events happened before they were revealed.  So how could they have been a Thunder?  Or how could they have even happened if a prophet didn’t say so beforehand?  Realize that all the revealed Thunders were revealed after they occurred (sounded).  So there is something amiss with this reasoning that Brother Stair has sold us.

If that went over your head, try this one.  If God will do nothing without revealing His secrets of the end times to his servant the prophet (Brother Stair), then the Thunders must be revealed before God can complete the End Time events in Revelation past Chapter 10.  But doesn’t the book of Revelation reveal these events already???  Why are we waiting for God to reveal to a prophet (Brother Stair) so that God can do the End Time events that He has already revealed in Revelation – prophesied to John???  Who hath bewitched you (Gal 3:1)???

Hasn’t Amos 3:7 already been fulfilled?  Indeed, the prophet Jesus told us that “It is finished!” (John 19:30).  So let’s stop looking for another (Luke 7:19).  That’s how you get deceived into following the coming false prophets that Jesus warned us of in Matthew 24.  Guessing Brother Stair never told you that when he was making up his stories about Matthew 24, did he?

Seven Deadly Sins

The fruits of the spirit are in contrast with the works of the flesh (Gal 5:19-24).  Here we show what is commonly called the Seven Deadly Sins vs. the Seven Virtues.

FLESH SPIRIT
Lust Chastity
Idolatry Faith
Greed Good Works
Discord Concord
Indulgence Sobriety
Wrath Patience
Pride Humility

Which side do we find someone revealing false visions which they alone have (indulgence, pride) to puff themselves up (pride, greed, lust)?  Accusing (discord, indulgence, pride) those who reject their revelations (idolatry, indulgence, pride) with damnation (wrath, pride, indulgence)?

Which side do we constantly find Brother Stair on?  Which side is he devoid of?  By their fruits, you shall know them (Matt 7:20).

Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are:
immorality, impurity, sensuality,
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dolatry, sorcery,
enmities, strife,
jealousy, outbursts of anger,
disputes, dissensions, factions,
envying,
drunkenness, carousing,
and things like these,
of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that
those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But
the fruit of the Spirit is
love,
joy, peace,
patience, kindness,
goodness, faithfulness, gentleness,
self-control;
against such things
there is no law.
Now
those who belong to Christ Jesus
have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

(Galatians 5:19-24  NASB95)

Deadly Deceptions

What makes these Seven Thunders, and the more Deadly Seven Sins, the deadly revelations of the prophet, the deadly interpretations, the wrestling of the scriptures (2Pt 3:16), and such like (Gal 5:21).  Are that they are part of a strong delusion that is sent to damn you (2Thes 2:11).  That’s deadly!

You do not want to partake of the plagues of Revelation by receiving the prophet’s reward – which is what you get for adding to the words God didn’t want to be revealed in Revelation (Rev 22:18, 10:4).  That’s deadly!

Be warned!  This is just one of many of Brother Stair’s damnable doctrines.  This is an epic foundational one, which removes the secure foundation of God that’s deadly!  (Prov 22:28;  2Tim 2:19-21)

If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?
(Psalm 11:3  NASB)

Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal:
“The Lord knows those who are His;” and,
Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to keep away from wickedness.”

(2Tim 2:19  NASB)

In light of these scriptures, rather than some secret revelations (Rev 2:24), how does Brother Stair destroy God’s foundation?  By causing the righteous to go astray in an evil way (Pr 28:10) by teaching wickedness and by living in wickedness.  By not being washed, sanctified, and therefore not being justified (1Cor 6:11).

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?  Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. (1Cor 6:9-10  BSB)

That’s deadly!


See also The Final Witness‘s message The Overcomer Ministries 7 THUNDERS ~ Revelation 10:7

 

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